Taliesin and Luis interview with Temple of Geek
## [*Inside the Schemers Table*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuhaMDVOXSg)
> Welcome to an exclusive deep dive into the high-stakes world of Critical Role Campaign 4! In this interview, Caitlin Tyrrell from Temple of Geek sits down with cast members Taliesin Jaffe and Luis Carazo to dissect the complex moral compasses, secret histories, and shifting loyalties of the "Schemer's Table."
> From the true nature of Thjazi to the heartbreaking "conditional love" fueling Azune, we explore how these characters are navigating a world where their foundations have been pulled out from under them.
#### *Timestamps:*
- 00:03 – Welcome to the "Schemer's Table": Caitlin introduces the chaotic energy of Campaign 4.
- 00:18 – Is Thjazi a "Good Man"?: Taliesin discusses Thjazi’s performative nature and his self-awareness as a cruel man.
- 02:52 – The Art of Mispronunciation: Luis explains Azune’s fixation on being "whoever he needs to be" and why he never corrects his name.
- 04:47 – Accidental Parallels: Luis and Taliesin reflect on the surprising similarities between their characters' trajectories.
- 06:38 – The Occtis Influence: Discussing the "unbelievable mess" that would have occurred if Occtis were at the table.
- 08:30 – Art in Dangerous Times: Taliesin reveals that art is the only "real" thing about his character in a world of artifice.
- 11:24 – Character Ingredients: Luis talks about the psychology behind Azune and parallels to previous characters like Marion.
- 13:18 – Conditional Love & Utility: A deep dive into Azune’s struggle with feeling his value is tied to his usefulness.
- 18:13 – Bolaire’s Quest for Truth: Taliesin discusses Bolaire being "fucked" by Thjazi’s plans and his fundamental need for honesty.
- 21:58 – Broken Moral Compasses: Luis and Taliesin bond over their characters' shared internal struggles.
- 23:55 – Losing Identity: Luis explores Azune’s mental state after the foundations of his world were pulled away.
- 27:55 – The Siblings and Fear: Taliesin breaks down Bolaire’s genuine fear and the "essential" connection to the other masks.
> Welcome to an exclusive deep dive into the high-stakes world of Critical Role Campaign 4! In this interview, Caitlin Tyrrell from Temple of Geek sits down with cast members Taliesin Jaffe and Luis Carazo to dissect the complex moral compasses, secret histories, and shifting loyalties of the "Schemer's Table."
> From the true nature of Thjazi to the heartbreaking "conditional love" fueling Azune, we explore how these characters are navigating a world where their foundations have been pulled out from under them.
#### *Timestamps:*
- 00:03 – Welcome to the "Schemer's Table": Caitlin introduces the chaotic energy of Campaign 4.
- 00:18 – Is Thjazi a "Good Man"?: Taliesin discusses Thjazi’s performative nature and his self-awareness as a cruel man.
- 02:52 – The Art of Mispronunciation: Luis explains Azune’s fixation on being "whoever he needs to be" and why he never corrects his name.
- 04:47 – Accidental Parallels: Luis and Taliesin reflect on the surprising similarities between their characters' trajectories.
- 06:38 – The Occtis Influence: Discussing the "unbelievable mess" that would have occurred if Occtis were at the table.
- 08:30 – Art in Dangerous Times: Taliesin reveals that art is the only "real" thing about his character in a world of artifice.
- 11:24 – Character Ingredients: Luis talks about the psychology behind Azune and parallels to previous characters like Marion.
- 13:18 – Conditional Love & Utility: A deep dive into Azune’s struggle with feeling his value is tied to his usefulness.
- 18:13 – Bolaire’s Quest for Truth: Taliesin discusses Bolaire being "fucked" by Thjazi’s plans and his fundamental need for honesty.
- 21:58 – Broken Moral Compasses: Luis and Taliesin bond over their characters' shared internal struggles.
- 23:55 – Losing Identity: Luis explores Azune’s mental state after the foundations of his world were pulled away.
- 27:55 – The Siblings and Fear: Taliesin breaks down Bolaire’s genuine fear and the "essential" connection to the other masks.